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Our Coaches and Providers

MD, Clinical Advisor & Lin Telehealth Provider
Dr. Preethi Reddy
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Dr. Preethi Reddy
Dr. Preethi Reddy

Dr. Preethi Reddy, MD graduated from Saba University School of Medicine in 2005. “I am interested in Lin Health’s chronic pain treatment program because I share their mission to help and heal those suffering from chronic pain. I had the opportunity to care for combat veterans living with chronic pain. This was a rewarding experience. I hope that through the Lin Health program we can reach millions of people who are suffering from chronic pain and improve their quality of life.”

Dr. Preethi Reddy
MD, Clinical Advisor & Lin Telehealth Provider
Dr. Preethi Reddy

Dr. Preethi Reddy, MD graduated from Saba University School of Medicine in 2005. “I am interested in Lin Health’s chronic pain treatment program because I share their mission to help and heal those suffering from chronic pain. I had the opportunity to care for combat veterans living with chronic pain. This was a rewarding experience. I hope that through the Lin Health program we can reach millions of people who are suffering from chronic pain and improve their quality of life.”

MD, Lin Telehealth Provider
Dr. Melissa Asuncion
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Dr. Melissa Asuncion
Dr. Melissa Asuncion

Dr. Melissa Asuncion, MD, graduated from Ross University School of Medicine and received her medical degree in 1999. “I love the idea that telehealth can reach all different kinds of patients and that we can try to help on all levels for the best health and well-being a person can have. My interest in giving a person the chance at a better quality of life, to help control and reduce symptoms of pain, stems from my passion and purpose of becoming a doctor--and that is to help people in any way I can to achieve their goals and to feel better about themselves.”

Dr. Melissa Asuncion
MD, Lin Telehealth Provider
Dr. Melissa Asuncion

Dr. Melissa Asuncion, MD, graduated from Ross University School of Medicine and received her medical degree in 1999. “I love the idea that telehealth can reach all different kinds of patients and that we can try to help on all levels for the best health and well-being a person can have. My interest in giving a person the chance at a better quality of life, to help control and reduce symptoms of pain, stems from my passion and purpose of becoming a doctor--and that is to help people in any way I can to achieve their goals and to feel better about themselves.”

MD, Clinical Advisor & Lin Telehealth Provider
Dr. Brad Fanestil
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Dr. Brad Fanestil
Dr. Brad Fanestil

Dr. Fanestil is board-certified in Internal Medicine and has practiced as both a primary care internist and as a hospitalist for most of his career. In 2017, he began researching and learning about new theories in neuroscience - largely supported by functional MRI (fMRI) data - that are beginning to explain the emotional connections between mind and body. After watching many patients improve or resolve their chronic pain problems, he works now at The Center for Mind-Body Medicine, which draws upon these new theories to treat chronic pain and other hard-to-treat medical symptoms - without the use of medications.

Dr. Brad Fanestil
MD, Clinical Advisor & Lin Telehealth Provider
Dr. Brad Fanestil

Dr. Fanestil is board-certified in Internal Medicine and has practiced as both a primary care internist and as a hospitalist for most of his career. In 2017, he began researching and learning about new theories in neuroscience - largely supported by functional MRI (fMRI) data - that are beginning to explain the emotional connections between mind and body. After watching many patients improve or resolve their chronic pain problems, he works now at The Center for Mind-Body Medicine, which draws upon these new theories to treat chronic pain and other hard-to-treat medical symptoms - without the use of medications.

MSN APRN FNP-C, Lin Telehealth Provider
Ebony Coleman
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Ebony Coleman
Ebony Coleman

Ebony Coleman MSN APRN FNP-C received her MSN in 2017 from South University in Savannah, GA. She has a passion to help patients get to the root of their ailments. Her experience working with chronic care patients drives her to push for results and inspires her to go the extra mile for everyone she works with. She works tirelessly to help give answers to those that have tried many other avenues and come up dry in their search for lasting health. Through telehealth, she understands her ability to reach and impact so many more.

Ebony Coleman
MSN APRN FNP-C, Lin Telehealth Provider
Ebony Coleman

Ebony Coleman MSN APRN FNP-C received her MSN in 2017 from South University in Savannah, GA. She has a passion to help patients get to the root of their ailments. Her experience working with chronic care patients drives her to push for results and inspires her to go the extra mile for everyone she works with. She works tirelessly to help give answers to those that have tried many other avenues and come up dry in their search for lasting health. Through telehealth, she understands her ability to reach and impact so many more.

PT, DPT, Lin Health Coach
Tara DiRocco
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Tara DiRocco
Tara DiRocco

Tara DiRocco PT, DPT is a pelvic floor physical therapist passionate about chronic pain and pelvic health. After a career in tropical forest science and agriculture in her early 20's, her struggle with chronic pain and illness led her to yoga teaching, meditation, and ultimately to physical therapy school determined to heal. She takes on the responsibility of patient care and pain coaching with her whole heart, and firmly believes everybody has the power to heal themselves.

Tara DiRocco
PT, DPT, Lin Health Coach
Tara DiRocco

Tara DiRocco PT, DPT is a pelvic floor physical therapist passionate about chronic pain and pelvic health. After a career in tropical forest science and agriculture in her early 20's, her struggle with chronic pain and illness led her to yoga teaching, meditation, and ultimately to physical therapy school determined to heal. She takes on the responsibility of patient care and pain coaching with her whole heart, and firmly believes everybody has the power to heal themselves.

Lin Health Coach
Deb Malkin
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Deb Malkin
Deb Malkin

Deb is a plus-size, body-positive massage therapist, movement enthusiast, host of the "Move With Deb" Podcast, and client zero of her pain recovery coaching work. She's learned a lot about the body in her years of practicing bodywork, studying biomechanics, and the lymphatic system. She had an overnight experience with chronic pain relief that changed her mind understanding about pain forever. Her mission is for people of all sizes, abilities, and genders to feel at home in their bodies.

Deb Malkin
Lin Health Coach
Deb Malkin

Deb is a plus-size, body-positive massage therapist, movement enthusiast, host of the "Move With Deb" Podcast, and client zero of her pain recovery coaching work. She's learned a lot about the body in her years of practicing bodywork, studying biomechanics, and the lymphatic system. She had an overnight experience with chronic pain relief that changed her mind understanding about pain forever. Her mission is for people of all sizes, abilities, and genders to feel at home in their bodies.

Lin Health Coach
Shannon Dougherty
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Shannon Dougherty
Shannon Dougherty

Shannon is a pain recovery coach who healed herself from 17 years worth of chronic pain and other symptoms her doctors considered incurable. She is also the host of our podcast, Rethinking Pain: where pain science and healing meet. Her mission is to help spread the word that chronic pain is curable and that no matter how hopeless it might feel, it can and it does get better. Her mantra is "keep going" because you just never know what is going to work and eventually something will!

Shannon Dougherty
Lin Health Coach
Shannon Dougherty

Shannon is a pain recovery coach who healed herself from 17 years worth of chronic pain and other symptoms her doctors considered incurable. She is also the host of our podcast, Rethinking Pain: where pain science and healing meet. Her mission is to help spread the word that chronic pain is curable and that no matter how hopeless it might feel, it can and it does get better. Her mantra is "keep going" because you just never know what is going to work and eventually something will!

Lin Health Coach
Amital Haas
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Amital Haas
Amital Haas

Amital studied at Princeton University, where she concentrated in medical anthropology and researched end-of-life communication norms. She discovered Lin after living with pain for many years and experienced firsthand the power of brain-first treatment. Now located in Israel, Amital is honored to be part of Lin’s mission to revolutionize chronic pain treatment. In her free time she enjoys cooking, listening to audiobooks, and taking meandering walks.

Amital Haas
Lin Health Coach
Amital Haas

Amital studied at Princeton University, where she concentrated in medical anthropology and researched end-of-life communication norms. She discovered Lin after living with pain for many years and experienced firsthand the power of brain-first treatment. Now located in Israel, Amital is honored to be part of Lin’s mission to revolutionize chronic pain treatment. In her free time she enjoys cooking, listening to audiobooks, and taking meandering walks.

Our Clinical Team

Ph.D. Pain Psychologist, Clinical Advisor
Yoni Ashar
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Yoni Ashar
Yoni Ashar

Yoni is a clinical psychologist, neuroscientist, and father of three. Yoni’s research uses functional MRI brain imaging, natural language processing, and other tools to understand how mind and brain processes influence health and chronic pain. Yoni is an NIH-funded postdoctoral associate at Weill Cornell Medicine. He completed his doctorate at the University of Colorado Boulder. His research in chronic pain has been featured in several news outlets, including the Wall Street Journal, Vox, and the Coloradan.

Yoni Ashar
Ph.D. Pain Psychologist, Clinical Advisor
Yoni Ashar

Yoni is a clinical psychologist, neuroscientist, and father of three. Yoni’s research uses functional MRI brain imaging, natural language processing, and other tools to understand how mind and brain processes influence health and chronic pain. Yoni is an NIH-funded postdoctoral associate at Weill Cornell Medicine. He completed his doctorate at the University of Colorado Boulder. His research in chronic pain has been featured in several news outlets, including the Wall Street Journal, Vox, and the Coloradan.

MSPT, Physical Therapist, Clinical Advisor
Charlie Merrill
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Charlie Merrill
Charlie Merrill

Charlie is a physiotherapist, educator, content creator, consultant for emerging health technology companies, footwear designer, inventor, and athlete. Charlie is working to change the paradigm around how people understand and address pain and other physical symptoms. He co-developed the Beyond Pain Education course with Dr. Howard Schubiner, MD. You can learn more about Charlie’s work at www.Mperformance.com, or find him on social @charliemerrill and adventuring with his family at home or abroad.

Charlie Merrill
MSPT, Physical Therapist, Clinical Advisor
Charlie Merrill

Charlie is a physiotherapist, educator, content creator, consultant for emerging health technology companies, footwear designer, inventor, and athlete. Charlie is working to change the paradigm around how people understand and address pain and other physical symptoms. He co-developed the Beyond Pain Education course with Dr. Howard Schubiner, MD. You can learn more about Charlie’s work at www.Mperformance.com, or find him on social @charliemerrill and adventuring with his family at home or abroad.

Ph.D. Pain & Data Scientist, Clinical Advisor
Pavel Goldstein
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Pavel Goldstein
Pavel Goldstein

Dr. Pavel Goldstein is an assistant professor at the Scholl of Public Health of Haifa University (Israel). He is a director of Integrative Pain Laboratory (iPainLab) and head of the Biostatistics MPH program. Pavel's research focuses on deepening understandings of chronic pain conditions to develop new ways of measuring, preventing, and treating chronic pain. Following his agenda to develop, validate and scale solutions for chronic pain, Pavel is looking for “common ground” between academic investigators, business representatives, and healthcare providers. When all parties see the advantage of combining the industrial drive to ‘get things done’ with clinical insights and the academic urge to ‘understand 'how it works’, the final outcomes improve significantly. Pavel and his family spent 3 wonderful years in Boulder, CO where he worked at the University of Colorado. He enjoys hiking, meditating, and singing.

Pavel Goldstein
Ph.D. Pain & Data Scientist, Clinical Advisor
Pavel Goldstein

Dr. Pavel Goldstein is an assistant professor at the Scholl of Public Health of Haifa University (Israel). He is a director of Integrative Pain Laboratory (iPainLab) and head of the Biostatistics MPH program. Pavel's research focuses on deepening understandings of chronic pain conditions to develop new ways of measuring, preventing, and treating chronic pain. Following his agenda to develop, validate and scale solutions for chronic pain, Pavel is looking for “common ground” between academic investigators, business representatives, and healthcare providers. When all parties see the advantage of combining the industrial drive to ‘get things done’ with clinical insights and the academic urge to ‘understand 'how it works’, the final outcomes improve significantly. Pavel and his family spent 3 wonderful years in Boulder, CO where he worked at the University of Colorado. He enjoys hiking, meditating, and singing.

Our Clinical Advisory Panel

MD
Dr. Antje Barreveld
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Dr. Antje Barreveld
Dr. Antje Barreveld

Dr. Antje Barreveld is Assistant Professor of Anesthesiology at Tufts University School of Medicine, Medical Director of the Pain Management Services, and co-Founder and Director of Education and Outreach for the Substance Use Services (SUS) with multiple publications in peer-review journals. Additionally, Dr. Barreveld is a Clinical Researcher at Harvard Medical School and Brigham and Women’s hospital. She's a 2020 Mayday Pain & Society Fellow, selected as one of 12 national Fellows to build the next generation of pain experts. In her spare time, she enjoys time with her family, backcountry snowboarding, cycling, and running in the woods.

Dr. Antje Barreveld
MD
Dr. Antje Barreveld

Dr. Antje Barreveld is Assistant Professor of Anesthesiology at Tufts University School of Medicine, Medical Director of the Pain Management Services, and co-Founder and Director of Education and Outreach for the Substance Use Services (SUS) with multiple publications in peer-review journals. Additionally, Dr. Barreveld is a Clinical Researcher at Harvard Medical School and Brigham and Women’s hospital. She's a 2020 Mayday Pain & Society Fellow, selected as one of 12 national Fellows to build the next generation of pain experts. In her spare time, she enjoys time with her family, backcountry snowboarding, cycling, and running in the woods.

MD, MBA
Dr. Orlando Landrum
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Dr. Orlando Landrum
Dr. Orlando Landrum

Practiced interventional pain medicine for 16 years. I specialize in a combination of advanced regenerative medicine treatments with minimally invasive procedures for improved physical function. I am the founder and CEO of Cutting Edge Integrative Pain Centers. Our clinic prides itself on treating the whole patient and using a multitude of services including a robust telehealth/virtual practice. Outside of medicine, I teach salsa dancing and practice Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.

Dr. Orlando Landrum
MD, MBA
Dr. Orlando Landrum

Practiced interventional pain medicine for 16 years. I specialize in a combination of advanced regenerative medicine treatments with minimally invasive procedures for improved physical function. I am the founder and CEO of Cutting Edge Integrative Pain Centers. Our clinic prides itself on treating the whole patient and using a multitude of services including a robust telehealth/virtual practice. Outside of medicine, I teach salsa dancing and practice Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.

MD, MS
Dr. Phoebe Cushman
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Dr. Phoebe Cushman
Dr. Phoebe Cushman

Phoebe Cushman is board certified in both General Internal Medicine and Addiction Medicine. Her 15 years in Primary Care informed her interests in chronic pain, opioids, and substance use disorders. She now works at Spectrum Health Systems and acts as a consultant for the Massachusetts Consultation Service for the Treatment of Addiction and Pain. She lives outside Boston with her husband and two kids and enjoys yoga, hiking, and gardening.

Dr. Phoebe Cushman
MD, MS
Dr. Phoebe Cushman

Phoebe Cushman is board certified in both General Internal Medicine and Addiction Medicine. Her 15 years in Primary Care informed her interests in chronic pain, opioids, and substance use disorders. She now works at Spectrum Health Systems and acts as a consultant for the Massachusetts Consultation Service for the Treatment of Addiction and Pain. She lives outside Boston with her husband and two kids and enjoys yoga, hiking, and gardening.

M.D., M.H.A.
Stuart H. Levine
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Stuart H. Levine
Stuart H. Levine

Dr. Stuart Levine is a Partner for Chicago Pacific Founders, specializing in and leading the Care Model Innovation and value-based care. He is a founder of Agilon health. Dr. Levine is also a Director at Google Health. Dr. Levine is an Assistant Professor of Internal Medicine and Psychiatry at the University of California, Los Angeles David Geffen School of Medicine since 1992 as well as a resident expert on Population Health. Dr. Levine is also an Assistant Clinical Professor of Internal Medicine at Stanford University School of Medicine. He has published over four dozen articles, book chapters, and other abstracts in a variety of journals. He currently serves on the board and executive advisor for a number of healthcare companies. Dr. Levine is the former Chief Innovation and Clinical Care Officer at Blue Shield at California, Regional and Corporate Medical Director at HealthCare Partners, and the Medical Director at SCAN Health Plan.

Stuart H. Levine
M.D., M.H.A.
Stuart H. Levine

Dr. Stuart Levine is a Partner for Chicago Pacific Founders, specializing in and leading the Care Model Innovation and value-based care. He is a founder of Agilon health. Dr. Levine is also a Director at Google Health. Dr. Levine is an Assistant Professor of Internal Medicine and Psychiatry at the University of California, Los Angeles David Geffen School of Medicine since 1992 as well as a resident expert on Population Health. Dr. Levine is also an Assistant Clinical Professor of Internal Medicine at Stanford University School of Medicine. He has published over four dozen articles, book chapters, and other abstracts in a variety of journals. He currently serves on the board and executive advisor for a number of healthcare companies. Dr. Levine is the former Chief Innovation and Clinical Care Officer at Blue Shield at California, Regional and Corporate Medical Director at HealthCare Partners, and the Medical Director at SCAN Health Plan.

N.D.
Dr. Kate Smith
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Dr. Kate Smith
Dr. Kate Smith

Dr. Kate Smith received her Naturopathic Doctorate degree from the National College of Natural Medicine and is a certified Holistic Pelvic Care™ practitioner. She is trained in diagnosing and treating neuroplastic pain conditions and is certified in Pain Reprocessing Therapy. Her personal journey with chronic pain created an opportunity to study mind body medicine whole-heartedly. She brings a holistic, compassionate, and trauma-informed approach into her practice to help others experience healing and freedom from chronic health conditions. She currently lives and practices in Portland, Oregon.

Dr. Kate Smith
N.D.
Dr. Kate Smith

Dr. Kate Smith received her Naturopathic Doctorate degree from the National College of Natural Medicine and is a certified Holistic Pelvic Care™ practitioner. She is trained in diagnosing and treating neuroplastic pain conditions and is certified in Pain Reprocessing Therapy. Her personal journey with chronic pain created an opportunity to study mind body medicine whole-heartedly. She brings a holistic, compassionate, and trauma-informed approach into her practice to help others experience healing and freedom from chronic health conditions. She currently lives and practices in Portland, Oregon.

DC, CNS
Dr. Jason Piken
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Dr. Jason Piken
Dr. Jason Piken

Dr. Piken is a Chiropractor, Certified Nutrition Specialist, and Health Coach who offers a unique holistic and whole-body approach to nutrition and wellness. In practice since 1996, I focus heavily on nutrition and a total body approach to health, with special emphasis on healing the relationship between the gut and the brain known as the brain-gut axis. My midtown Manhattan office, Innate Wellness Group, functions as a primary source for healthcare without the use of drugs or surgery.

Dr. Jason Piken
DC, CNS
Dr. Jason Piken

Dr. Piken is a Chiropractor, Certified Nutrition Specialist, and Health Coach who offers a unique holistic and whole-body approach to nutrition and wellness. In practice since 1996, I focus heavily on nutrition and a total body approach to health, with special emphasis on healing the relationship between the gut and the brain known as the brain-gut axis. My midtown Manhattan office, Innate Wellness Group, functions as a primary source for healthcare without the use of drugs or surgery.

MD, LMFT
Dr. Lilia Graue
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Dr. Lilia Graue
Dr. Lilia Graue

Dr. Lilia has had a private medical practice in Mexico City for the last 18 years. In addition to mind-body medicine and psychotherapy, she has significant experience in the field of eating and weight-related concerns. Lilia has personally recovered from chronic neuroplastic pain. She lives with her partner and three cats and enjoys baking sourdough, swimming, and practicing yoga and meditation.

Dr. Lilia Graue
MD, LMFT
Dr. Lilia Graue

Dr. Lilia has had a private medical practice in Mexico City for the last 18 years. In addition to mind-body medicine and psychotherapy, she has significant experience in the field of eating and weight-related concerns. Lilia has personally recovered from chronic neuroplastic pain. She lives with her partner and three cats and enjoys baking sourdough, swimming, and practicing yoga and meditation.

ND, Medical Director
Dr. Joshua Levitt
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Dr. Joshua Levitt
Dr. Joshua Levitt

With his depth of knowledge, wisdom, experience, down-to-earth professionalism, kindness and compassion, and his expertise in natural medicine...Dr. Josh Levitt checks all the boxes that you could ever want in a physician. In practice, Dr. Josh draws upon the science of both conventional and naturopathic medicine and artfully combines the two into a unique “best of both worlds” approach. He is widely known for his exceptional diagnostic skills, his depth of knowledge, and his casual charismatic style.

Dr. Joshua Levitt
ND, Medical Director
Dr. Joshua Levitt

With his depth of knowledge, wisdom, experience, down-to-earth professionalism, kindness and compassion, and his expertise in natural medicine...Dr. Josh Levitt checks all the boxes that you could ever want in a physician. In practice, Dr. Josh draws upon the science of both conventional and naturopathic medicine and artfully combines the two into a unique “best of both worlds” approach. He is widely known for his exceptional diagnostic skills, his depth of knowledge, and his casual charismatic style.

Our Leadership Team

CEO, Co-Founder Lin
Yehuda Kogan
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Yehuda Kogan
Yehuda Kogan

Yehuda launched two companies in the SaaS and AI space and spent a few years at Google, where he held several roles including Chief Marketing Officer in Israel and served as founder and head of Google's Growth teams in Europe. Additionally, he served as an executive advisor at Paypal, Freshworks, and other large companies, and spent a year with aMoon as an entrepreneur in residence. Yehuda earned his Bsc. in electrical engineering from the Technion (cum laude) and an MBA from INSEAD.

Yehuda Kogan
CEO, Co-Founder Lin
Yehuda Kogan

Yehuda launched two companies in the SaaS and AI space and spent a few years at Google, where he held several roles including Chief Marketing Officer in Israel and served as founder and head of Google's Growth teams in Europe. Additionally, he served as an executive advisor at Paypal, Freshworks, and other large companies, and spent a year with aMoon as an entrepreneur in residence. Yehuda earned his Bsc. in electrical engineering from the Technion (cum laude) and an MBA from INSEAD.

Ph.D. CPO. Co-Founder
Abigail Hirsch
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Abigail Hirsch
Abigail Hirsch

Abigail is a clinical psychologist who specializes in creating digital products that transform lives. She built the first-ever digital relationship support program, Power of Two. As Chief Clinical Officer at myStrength, she helped lead the creation of a digital behavioral health program that was acquired by TeleDoc. Abigail has 4 boys, owns every type of ball from base to moth, and loves to take her bright orange beach bike tooling around in the fields behind her house.

Abigail Hirsch
Ph.D. CPO. Co-Founder
Abigail Hirsch

Abigail is a clinical psychologist who specializes in creating digital products that transform lives. She built the first-ever digital relationship support program, Power of Two. As Chief Clinical Officer at myStrength, she helped lead the creation of a digital behavioral health program that was acquired by TeleDoc. Abigail has 4 boys, owns every type of ball from base to moth, and loves to take her bright orange beach bike tooling around in the fields behind her house.

VP R&D
Shahar Elias
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Shahar Elias
Shahar Elias

Shahar has worked in the tech industry for nearly 20 years. He holds a BS and MBA. He also has extensive experience in multiple tech roles in several different companies. He served as VP of R&D in two other successful companies. Additionally, he has served at VP level in several operational roles. When Shahar is not working he likes to travel, workout, or binge the latest Netflix hit.

Shahar Elias
VP R&D
Shahar Elias

Shahar has worked in the tech industry for nearly 20 years. He holds a BS and MBA. He also has extensive experience in multiple tech roles in several different companies. He served as VP of R&D in two other successful companies. Additionally, he has served at VP level in several operational roles. When Shahar is not working he likes to travel, workout, or binge the latest Netflix hit.

Director of Product & Operations
Alissa Link
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Alissa Link
Alissa Link

Alissa is a public health technologist who started her career managing research trials on health behavior change, chronic disease management, and behavioral economics. Alissa has taken several digital health products from idea to execution, for startups (NextHealth Technologies, Play-it Health, and myStrength) and a large academic hospital system (NYU Langone). Alissa loves a good adventure and spends much of her free time skiing, hiking, and biking.

Alissa Link
Director of Product & Operations
Alissa Link

Alissa is a public health technologist who started her career managing research trials on health behavior change, chronic disease management, and behavioral economics. Alissa has taken several digital health products from idea to execution, for startups (NextHealth Technologies, Play-it Health, and myStrength) and a large academic hospital system (NYU Langone). Alissa loves a good adventure and spends much of her free time skiing, hiking, and biking.